Люциферу

Navuhodonosr

12 февраля CE 2002 01:27

В ответ на Люциферу (Люцифер, 12 февраля CE 2002 00:51)

>Ну ты и намудрил :) Сознание это одно, личность - совершенно другое, а душа по всей видимости нечто третье. О последней говорил не я, а Сема - я в наличие последней, в христианском понимании, сильно сомневаюсь :о)
>Так что именно тебя заинтересовало? Укажи конкретный разговор - станет понятно о чем вопрос.

OK. У меня есть сильное сомнение, что ты сможешь дать опр. сознанию. Попытаешься п бушь не лучше Семы выглядеть. Я долго следил за вашими дебатами и понял, что материалистического опр-я сознания быть не может. (на то он и материализм, чтобы не заниматься нематериальными вещами).

>> 2. Ты знаешь переводческий трюк по которому Люцифер превращается в
>> Христа? Недавно нашел - забавно.
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>Не помню... может и встречал, но забыл...

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In the English Bible which king James commissioned in 1611, the name Lucifer appears in Isaiah 14:12. The English translation, and probably other vernacular translations, are based on the Latin translation of Saint Jerome (340?-420), from the fourth century. Here is the Latin text:

14:12 quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes (Reference)
(Why did you fall from heaven, Lucifer, who rose in the morning? You are ruined on the ground, you who wounded the people.)
Reading this text out of context, one might suppose that it's about the Devil, Satan, the evil angel who fell from heaven. Many Christians interpret the verse that way. For modern Christians, Lucifer is another name for Satan. But the verse is not about Satan. It is about a Babylonian king who persecuted the Jews. It is part of a satirical song.

The original author of Isaiah, who wrote in Hebrew, mockingly called the king Helal, which means 'day star'. Jerome based his translation on the Greek translation, the Septuagint, which translates the Hebrew word with the Greek name Eosphoros (= morning Venus). As mentioned above, the Latin equivalent of Eosphoros is Lucifer.

In the time of Saint Jerome, Lucifer was not a name of Satan. In fact, a bishop from Sardinia, the founder of a Christian sect, was named Lucifer. (It is interesting that Jerome wrote a sarcastic essay against the Luciferians. In my opinion, 'Lucifer' is an appropriate translation of the Hebrew Helal, (or the Greek Eosphoros). However, I think that Jerome must have smiled when he wrote the above verse.) (References: 1, 2.)

The above explanation is somewhat complicated. I will summarize the main facts.

At first Lucifer was not a name for Satan, but the Latin name for the morning star, Venus. Saint Jerome used the Latin name for the star to translate a biblical verse which mocks a fallen Babylonian king. Afterwards, people misinterpreted the verse as a reference to the fallen angel, Satan. In this way, Lucifer became a name for Satan.

will finish this essay with a little irony. In the Apocalyps of Saint John (Revelation), 22:16, Jesus says:
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Reference)

Jesus says that he is the morning star, in other words, Lucifer. Some malicious sorts like to quote this verse to annoy Christians. Of course, I would never do such a thing.

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